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teamorange · Dec 13, 2007, 12:30 AM // 00:30

I only have the core game (no expansions) and I have a lvl 20 W/M but he sucks, and i was wondering what should my build be?

W/MO, my bad

TGgold · Dec 13, 2007, 01:09 AM // 01:09

I'll assume you mean Warrior/Monk? Or do you mean Warrior/Mesmer?

Regardless, even with just Proph you can make a fine build using only Warrior Skills. Eviscerate is a good place to start.

teamorange · Dec 13, 2007, 01:30 AM // 01:30

W/Monk sorry :/

ill edit op

Age · Dec 13, 2007, 01:37 AM // 01:37

It all depends on what weapon you are using Proph is good for Axe and Hammer Warriors better elites but sword can use some utility skills like Charge.
The only Monk skills on your bar should be a condition remover and hard res like rebirth do not use healing or smiting unless farming.

Draginvry · Dec 13, 2007, 07:59 AM // 07:59

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Originally Posted by Age

hard res like rebirth

I was playing just the other day and someone overaggrod. The warrior and I were the only ones to escape. I was really glad he had Rebirth. It's nice to finally get a W/Mo who knows how to handle himself, rather than all the Mending and Healing Breeze crap I've been stuck with the last couple of weeks.

glountz · Dec 13, 2007, 10:08 AM // 10:08

With only Proph, Axe is way better. You can go cyclone axe+dismember, if you have access to elites cleave or eviscerate (but you will get eviscerate only to the end of the game).
Go tactics and take Shields up! and Watch yourself so your team has good support to counter the fact Prophecies hench monks generally suck.

Cebe · Dec 13, 2007, 10:38 AM // 10:38

For Prophecies-Only

[skill]"For Great Justice!"[/skill][skill]Cyclone Axe[/skill][skill]Dismember[/skill][skill]Executioner's Strike[/skill][skill]Distracting Blow[/skill][skill]"Watch Yourself!"[/skill] + 2 Optional Slots.

The optional slots could be a Resurrection Skill (like [wiki]Rebirth[/wiki]) and a Self Heal (such as [wiki]Healing Signet[/wiki]). When you get far enough through the game consider trying to cap [wiki]Eviscerate[/wiki] which has Deep Wound and high-damage all rolled into one cool skill. Before Eviscerate you can cap [wiki]Cleave[/wiki] which is ok, until you can get Eviscerate.

You may be a W/Mo, but please, PLEASE steer away from Healing Prayers. Mending and Healing Breeze neither make a good Warrior, nor help you "tank". While we're on the subject of "tanking"...Warriors don't need to "tank" in PvE...they deal damage. You're a killing machine, make sure you act like one.

You *should* take an IAS (Increase Attack Speed) skill...but...I hesitate before suggesting a Prophecies only IAS... Flurry never seemed that good and I wouldn't think Frenzy is very good for a beginner until you've learnt the class a bit and know how to use [wiki]Rush[/wiki] well as a cancel stance.

So what are the lessons we learnt today?
1. Axes are a decent weapon to start using
2. Deep Wound is a valuable condition and generally warrior bars should contain one.
3. "Tanking" is bad.
4. Healing Prayers is bad when used on a Warrior.
5. Buying Nightfall so you can use [wiki]Flail[/wiki] and [wiki]Enraging Charge[/wiki] is good.

For additional info check out the Warriors in PvE stickied thread in this forum.

Have fun

Wakka · Dec 13, 2007, 11:08 AM // 11:08

Some nice advice there Beaver

Also [skill=text]Rebirth[/skill] is over-rated.

Cebe · Dec 13, 2007, 11:14 AM // 11:14

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Originally Posted by Wakka

Also [skill=text]Rebirth[/skill] is over-rated.

On every profession except Warrior perhaps. Warriors have very little energy to begin with, so it's energy loss affects them less. Adrenaline Skills = Win.

If the OP had Nightfall I would suggest using Signet of Return (or Death Pact Signet) as a decent Hard Res option...but that's not the case.

Wakka · Dec 13, 2007, 11:28 AM // 11:28

Hmm I would rather have a hard res on one of my midline characters and a Signet on my warriors. But I suppose its down to personal preferance ^^

The energy problem shouldn really matter though, as you should only use it out of battle which only means another couple seconds regen. So any prof will do ,if ya get where im coming from lol

Crom The Pale · Dec 13, 2007, 01:45 PM // 13:45

I find that the only time I really need a hard res on my war, and rebirth is best for this, is when I am using all hench party. Hench often get in over thier heads and the result is you escape alone and have to rebirth them to safety while the mob camps on their corpses.

Marverick · Dec 13, 2007, 06:59 PM // 18:59

Rebirth is good for when you're with H/H since they can't be trusted to escape themselves.

However the OP does not have Nightfall or EotN so that isn't an option for him.

In that case, you really want [skill=text]Resurrection Signet[/skill] for your rez.
If you have Factions you can take [skill=text]Flesh of my Flesh[/skill]

But [skill=text]Rebirth[/skill] just royally sucks on a Warrior.

First of all, you're a frontline character, you shouldn't be the one running away when the party wipes. A backline character has a much better chance of running away. Stick one copy of Rebirth on one of your Monks/Rits and be done with it. Everyone else takes a good rez that can be used mid battle.

As for Henchies, it's called flagging and pulling.

Coridan · Dec 13, 2007, 09:03 PM // 21:03

I have to disagree....in a H/H situation you should bring a hard rez on your warrior...and usually rebirth is the best if you only have prophecies...because if you need to cast it....chances are everyone else is already dead.....don't put Rebirth on any of your casters if you have heros...which i don't think you do...so i won't worry about that...but if you get them..and put rebirth on one...disable it.

El toro loco · Dec 15, 2007, 05:52 AM // 05:52

Jus like age said i would keep res skills and hex and condition removers on ur plate nothing else all though if ur farming or doing a tough mish try usin 1 healing spell max i wouldt use any more then 2 as warriors dont support much eng consumption

Caoimhe · Dec 15, 2007, 04:26 PM // 16:26

Marverick, if you're a warrior and the last one standing, chances are your skill bar is a little light on the damage side to begin with, so I sort of agree with you, somewhat. But here's why I like Rebirth on a W/Mo bar anyway:

Rrebirth on a W/Mo bar is a sensible choice. For one, the Warrior's ability to reduce damage - Watch Yourself, increased AL in the first place, for instance - gives you a much better chance of surviving a hairy fight if what you're fighting is attacking anyone else. Coupled with a speed boost - even Sprint - it is usually enough to allow you to get far enough clear to begin the process of ressurecting the party, after giving the mob that attacked you time to reset.

Also, the higher AL/armour buffs mean that you have a better chance of getting a party member who's fallen on the far side of a mob out of there, where a squishy like a monk or necro would have a hard time surviving long enough to cast. I've been in occasions where I've stood there casting Rebirth on a dead party member who's down behind the mob attacking me and surviving to get that dead party memeber back to the party. Sometimes, that makes a huge difference, especially in places like EotN. Since energy is (should not be) a concern on a Warrior skillbar, my loss of energy doesn't hurt me any; I'm back in the fight as that party member gets clear of the mob.

Just my thoughts; your mileage may vary. And just because Rebirth is on the bar doesn't mean that any points have to be put into Prtoection Prayers.

MBP · Dec 15, 2007, 09:20 PM // 21:20

I'd go with what beaver said. As for rebirth...since he is proph only I'd say it's worth taking because h/h isn't nearly as reliable in the res department without the heroes.

Yukito Kunisaki · Dec 17, 2007, 08:11 PM // 20:11

Rebirth and a damage enchant like Strength of Honor...

If you're not using smiting prayers, God help your team...

Thom Bangalter · Dec 17, 2007, 08:17 PM // 20:17

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Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki

Rebirth and a damage enchant like Strength of Honor...

If you're not using smiting prayers, God help your team...

A Leprechaun · Dec 17, 2007, 09:38 PM // 21:38

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Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter

I guess (and hope) that he means that you should not be using healing or protection and that smiting is the only (barely) viable option.

~A Leprechaun~

Crom The Pale · Dec 18, 2007, 05:19 AM // 05:19

When your playing around Lions Arch and facing the undead Smiting skills can be effective on a war, but otherwise they are not your best option.

If your after a streamlined build for pure effeciency then stick to all war skills.

If your after a build for some fun and not worried about the odd party wipe then test out all combos, some work some don't.